Born March 18, 1911. Patience (Pay) joined Jane at St Felix, Southwold, in 1925 and quickly made her mark in school plays (her Bob Acres in The Rivals had the fathers roaring with laughter) and at games (incidentally, in her first term in a Second XI house match, catching and bowling her elder sister first ball).

She worked for a time at the Birmingham Settlement but decided against social work as a career and switched to being secretary to two Birmingham BBC officials, Robin Whitworth and David Gretton, at that time the "Uncle David" at the local Children's Hour. His last appointment was as producer at a daily programme for Birmingham's considerable Urdu-speaking community, an idea which he had been urging on his seniors. It was a success and recognised as making a significant contribution to bettering race relations. Pay and David married on May 7, 1938 - he, a Trinity Cambridge History graduate, the son of Brigadier John Gretton and his wife Agnes, born Le Mesurier. She and David wanted, and had, a large family; between 1940 and 1950 she bore him five children.

Pay was also active in community affairs mainly in Edgbaston, as was David, who became a JP (a Children's Court Magistrate) and, among other things, was Chairman of the Diocesan Board of Finance.

For several years he was a member of the Botanical Gardens committee and in 1962 published, as its editor, the first issue of their Bulletin. This and all the following issues were greeted with joy for their wit and humour.

Pay never recovered from the sudden loss of her David from a heart attack in January, 1967 - and herself died three years later (December 8, 1969).

Reprinted from: Lidderdale, Halliday Adair, The Descendants of John Lidderdale 1783-1845, 1988 unpublished manuscript.

Other Sources:
• Daniel Morgan's Genealogy Pages, Descendants of Thomas Morgan (http://www.mit.edu/~dfm/genealogy/morgan.html) and Descendants of William Lidderdale (http://www.mit.edu/~dfm/genealogy/lidderdale.html)